
Last night during our youth service I said some controversial things about Mormonism. Being what it is, a cult, Mormonism is no stranger to controversy. I said three statements about Mormonism, all of which ended up being contradicted by a mormon student who was present in our meeting.
In good faith, I said I would share where the information came from at a later time, this blog is that time.
The comments on Mormonism were in passing, though they had a key role in my sermon Jesus
According to Jesus. I shared views of cults, world religions, celebrities, and others about Jesus and I finally ended with things Jesus said about himself, so that those listening could hear what Jesus has to say - not just the critics.
Finally, to the statements I mentioned about Mormon "Christology."
First, in regards to Jesus being a man who became God:
"God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man" (Teachings of Joseph Smith, 345).
"The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man's: the Son also; but the Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of Spirit" (Doctrine and Covenants 130:22).
Finally, Joseph Smith wrote in an article for the newspaper Journal of Discourses:
"I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined that God was God from all eternity. These are incomprehensible ideas to some, but they are simple and first principles of the gospel, to know for a certainty the character of God, that we may converse with him as one man with another, and that God himself; the Father of us all dwelt on an earth the same as Jesus Christ himself did . . . what did Jesus say? ... Jesus said, as the Father hath power in himself, even so hath the Son power; to do what? Why what the Father did, that answer is obvious. . . . Here then is eternal life, to know the only wise and true God. You have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves; to be kings and priests to God, the same as all Gods have done before you-namely, by going from a small degree to another, from grace to grace from exaltation to exaltation, until you are able to sit in glory as doth those who sit enthroned in everlasting power." (Joseph Smith, Journal of Discourses, 6:3-4)
To paraphrase: God became God by starting as a person and working his way up the ladder. Jesus is pretty high up the ladder. Now you should walk up the ladder and become God, too.
So, yes, Mormonism does believe Jesus was a man who became God.
The second statement: Jesus is portrayed as a polygamist
Official Mormon sources will tell you that whether or not Jesus married was unknown. However, Brigham Young, one of the most famous LDS 'prophets' taught this:
"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 3, p. 266). Also, "The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 11, p. 269).
In other words - Jesus whom we would call God, or the Son of God, in order to reach such a place must have been a polygamist. Though Mormons would not call Jesus the only God they would say he is a God. Do the math. No Mormonism doesn't say Jesus was a Polygamist, they just strongly imply that.
Finally, I said that Jesus is the half-brother of Satan.
"Jesus and Satan are Spirit brothers and we were all born as siblings in heaven to them both." (Mormon Doctrine p. 163).
"The Devil was born as a spirit after Jesus 'in the morning of pre-existance'" (Mormon Doctrine P. 192).
Finally, in the Pearl of Great Price a Mormon "Scripture" Satan's fall from brotherhood with Jesus is shown in Moses 4:1-4.
So, I will take the punch and say I was slightly off on this piece of Mormon Doctrine. The resource for the quote regarding Jesus being the half-brother of Satan is from Vintage Jesus by Mark Driscoll and Gerry Breshears. However, since both are respectable scholars, I will leave myself open to correction on this retraction.
Based upon my best knowledge of this Mormon doctrine Jesus and Satan are fully "Spirit Brothers." Not half-brothers. My mistake, though I don't think it is an improvement for their stance for Jesus to graduate from half-brother to "Spirit Brother."
In this blog I owe the following source materials:
The Kingdom of the Cults by Walter Martin
Carm.org
Vintage Jesus by Mark Driscoll and Gerry Breshears.
Isn't it funny how people have to "prove" the "truths" of their religion by trying to point out the "falsies" of another's religion?
ReplyDeleteAnybody can take quotes out of context or, to take a quote from your blog post, "Do the math" in their own favor. But religious debates will go on for decades.
So rather than putting others down, why don't you promote your own?
Mike, when there are two opposing viewpoints there are two ways to respond.
ReplyDeleteResponse 'A': nobody is wrong
Response 'B': somebody has to be wrong, but who?
Yes religious debates will go on for decades, but is that really wrong? Two contradicting viewpoints means that one must be wrong. Perhaps debate is the best way to find the truth.
My quotes were in context, to the best of my understanding. Feel free to correct if I am wrong on any quote's context, but I don't see that I am.
Finally, the reason I posted this blog was because in the process of sharing Jesus, we had to clarify the real Jesus from false portrayals of him. Which led to some debate and finally the blog to discuss.
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I would like to hear the Mormon responses
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